ati 4350 is very low end, don't expect to run it with all settings maxed out. I expect you will be stuck to low resolutions and details tuned down.

try to save money for a faster version. 4550 or 4770 ..

Quote from JasonJ :

Reformatted a spare HDD so yeh, everything is new. Only installed winXP_SP3, dotNET_3.5, CCC_9.10, and LFS z25
No antivirus or nothing else to slow it down. LFS is fine if I don't use Adaptive AA, but yeh that's kinda ugly. Oh well, I'll put up with this and try nVidia again next upgrade.

Why don't you enable fixed anti-aliasing? 4x mode will improve image quality a lot.

The issues you are having are NOT graphics card related. 4890 or a high end nvidia card should both give 200-400 fps with all settings maxed out in lfs. You are blaming your graphics card while the graphics card is not causing your problems.

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Sun 15 Nov 2009, 15:51.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who still hasn't understood the concept of program files, registry, users, app data etc.

What is it for and how is supposed to be used (serious question)?

From my point of view the Windows structure is just creating a huge mess for benefits that are not obvious to me. Do viruses and spyware really fail because they are not allowed to write to program files? Are there really so many private users that share their computers to the extent that it's worth splitting program files and user files (whatever between those is anyway)? For HD space?

And it also seems to be that the program files are more protected in terms of permissions than the user files, although obviously user files are far more valuable to users as they are not easily replacable.

Sorry for OT but I thought this might be a chance to find out what exactly is going on with the way Windows is structured.

Installer worked fine for me BTW.

"- Users\Public or Users\<current user> for Vista and W7."

Is not a good path!!
Just under program files or a separate folder on the disk. Not somewhere within the userprofiles. user-profiles are not intended to install software in!

At the av forum people are also posting the same problem:
http://forums.avg.com/ww-en/av ... amp;act=show&id=37903

Quote from Kandis :

wasn't there a launch control in 2006 spec cars?

I think so, but first the tc has to be as good as it was irl.

Windows down is bad for aerodynamics so irl you would always race with windows up.

I think your suggestion is nice, but not important.

YES, the subject- is correct, avg 9.0 does minimize LFS. I have too this problem since version 9.0.

Close the avg-taksbar icon to get rid of this problem. Must be done via task-manager since avg 9.0 does not have a simple option to exit it. (or i didn't find it yet)

Quote from Steven Seagal Is The Co :

we need some mod that will cut everything till we got only track. if u imagine how much ram those windmills take in blackwood, rendering enourmous ammounts of buildings in south city..

60-100mbyte. Lfs reports at my system 66 to 100 mbyte texture memory is used. For todays standards that is very little of texture memory needed.
lfs uses in total about 350-400mbyte.
This is with all grapghics settings maxed out.

average graphicscard has 512MB or more memory
average dekstop/tower system has 4096MB or more memory .

Quote from cmnspwr :

So in a nut shell, I'm fcked if I want to run this on a laptop. There goes my $40 on a license.

If your laptop can't run lfs with details low, there will be very recent games/simulations that run properly on your laptop.

Gaming on laptops is possible and with very good performance. However, that comes with a big price-tag. Much bigger then it would cost with a desktop pc. A decent laptop for gaming comes easily at $1750+. A decent desktop system including monitor keyboard etc. about $1000 and there is a risk involved the much cheaper desktop system will stll be faster than the laptop.

So you should have thought about the performance of your laptop before buying any game or simulator! Start saving money!

I agree the sounds in lfs should be better, but tire blowouts are actually rather dull to hear. just a boring popping sound and that's it. Pressure in car tires are low about 2.0 to 2.8 bars depending on car weight. On cars a tyre blowout is usually not that violent(but can be very dangerous irl).

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Fri 13 Nov 2009, 00:36. Reason : typo

Maybe bit more like this car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbHEPbS9ZeU

ok its has been modified slightly from standard, but the engine-block itself is standard. Solid axle, engine in front, relatievely low weight(less then 1450kg).

Also nice vid showing tyres in lfs are currently too fragile. But that should be fixd with the physics update(i hope).

Quote from Shadowww :

Basically your non-admin user had no write permissions to folder you installed LFS into (e.g. C:\Program Files (x86)).

That is a better explanation Instead off blaming vista/win7

So a could solution would be changing the security permissions on the lfs folder. make yourself the owner or make sure you are added with full access permissions.

Quote from boom001 :

Trend Micro Internet Security 2010. In the firewall config I have allowed LFS.exe UDP/TCP, incoming/outgoing all ports. (I have used the same on XP.)

Edit: To be honest it was the 2009 I used on XP.

Did you check the windows firewall?? firewall of vista/win7 is much better then the one which comes with XP. Although still absolutely not good enough to call it a real firewall, it actually does block sometimes traffic when it should.
If you are using 3rd vendor firewall, make sure the windows firewall is turned off.

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

I fixed the administrator/unlock problem by moving LFS into \users\myprofile and deselecting Read-only from the folder's Properties. That was with Vista x86, but since the problem in both cases is caused by the same thing, it will probably work.

HUH???
I would call this a workaround, since lfs should work without any difficulties on vista/win7.

How did you install lfs? Do you have very restrictive uac enabled? Are you sure it is not just the read-only attribute problem? Weird execute permissions etc. ??

Quote from danthebangerboy :

Thats the problem, video card isnt really meaty enough to run LFS properly.

My old 256mb card used to struggle, and even my 512mb radeon one still dips from time to time.

Just try turning the detail down, run a smaller res, make sure its in 16 bit mode and not 32, turn off haze effect, sky, aa/af down or off, etc...

This also isnt a program bug, its a slow gfx card symptom lol

The amount of memory does not indicate how fast a grapghics card is. It is easy to buy a very slow 512MB card from nvidia or ati.

They cheap ones have often only 64bit memory access and usually run at much lower clock speeds. -> cheap memory, low gpu speeds-> use of chips on outside of the wafers which can only do low speeds.

Quote from chavm481 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGTBWmN41s

That is not possible in lfs, according to popular theories here, such cars cannot corner as good as you see on the youtube movie, the real world must be wrong

Seriously, it would be nice to have such powerfull and well handling cars in lfs. The gtr's should be more closer to that...

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Tue 10 Nov 2009, 01:32. Reason : edit, somehow the wrong persons was quoted

It really is lfs stating running 100fps while windowed. cpu-load less then 25%(lfs does not need much cpu power)

Switching to full screen and back solves the problem. Today i have been able to reproduce it several times by letting lfs run in de minimized and than open it again. After several hours of running minimized lfs is showing this minor problem again.

Graphics drivers are latest official catalyst drivers. windows itself 100% up-to-date, aero is disabled.

edit: I have limited lfs to run at maximum of 100fps, it conserves considerable amount of energy.

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 20:51.

Quote from geeman1 :

Driving near others tends to make people drive slower. Atleast when the faster driver is behind or when both drivers are of similar speed. Both drivers have to pay attention to where the other is and try to prevent/get the pass.

duhhh...
sorry bit rude, i was talking about cars speeding away for a few corners like they are driving a faster car with 20% extra hp. Some races later, he catched up with me fast well i was consistently driving the fastest laps of all drivers on that server at that time. That is odd...

i didnt bother to save the replay though. But if someone is really cheating he will get caught, because it is so noticable if someone is suddenly doing impossible speeds or cornering.

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Mon 9 Nov 2009, 20:42.

Quote from KillaBOFC :

I was just woundering I seen a player on my server hitting times that seam imposable to hit making Perfect laps with no screw ups...IM sorry i put in 2whole days doing the same track with every DL set up I could find and tweaked mine and COULD not drive perfect laps every time times would change each lap and would loose RPMs in corners....This person held same line never lost RPMs or gained RPMs you would have thought it was a AI computer car I found it odd so I thought id ask

There are a very few drivers out there who are very,very,very good. They do exactly that, lap near perfect every time again and again and usually such drivers also have setups which are useless to other drivers.

I did last week spot a driver who suddenly pull away as soon as he/she is not very near other cars but suddenly not so fast when close to other cars. Those are interesting to watch, because that might be very subtle cheating. But still be very careful before acusing someone...

no-one having this issue in vista/windows7?

Nothing special, very low end parts for a lowend price.

If you need a system just for internet, msn, icq, yahoo messenger, writing its ok. For gaming, leave it in the shop! It is seriously slow.

edit:
note: i can built this system with parts individually purchased with the advantage i KNOW which cheap parts have been used.

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Sun 8 Nov 2009, 10:31.

Quote from BenjiMC :

I never had the 6-pin in before cus it wasn't in the box so i thought i didn't need one or it would at least of shown up. I went to the shop and got one today.

Did it solve the problem?

Quote from BenjiMC :

ye, i just changed it to PCIE but it didnt work.

Have you connected the powersupply to the videocard? Without it this power, it will not function.
Most likely 1x6 pcie connector.

OFFTOPIC

Quote from Shadowww :

So where are working linux-x64 drivers with 3D acceleration support in present?

Wrong, NVidia have working linux-x64 drivers with 3D acceleration support in present.

No i prefer solaris10, much more modern and more finished than linux. And linux is competing with unix, not microsoft windows unfortunatly . i hoped linux would replace windows as the dominant desktop OS). But instead, linux is taking out competitors to microsoft windows. For now, linux is commercially not important to develop and/or support games on with the exception of the serverside(dedicated servers). But windows is not as bad as it used to be, it can run a dedicated server for a game rather good now too. With the usual disavantages from the windows platform offcourse... wintendo.

anyway i had a quick look at the drivers-pages and release notes from ati (x64), looks rather good though, including crossfire support. Maybe you have the time to test it

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Thu 5 Nov 2009, 06:24.